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    April 14, 2010
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trying to decide whether he should take a job at a strip club or retirement home. >> well, what if you did this, take a job at a strip club for retirees? no. something to think about. "morning joe" starts right now. there were a lot of people, particularly democrats, who were declaring after the 2008 election that we were beginning a period of democratic dominance that would go on for decades. now, all of a sudden, the momentum is with the republicans. and that's -- thank god, that's the way -- the people have spoken. >> welcome to "morning joe." that is a man who just, i swear, mick kash
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mika, he cannot be running for re-election in a state where barack obama gets 65%. he keeps -- what are you wearing? easter's over. >> hey. >> oh, come on. >> it's not a terrible way to start the day. it looks wonderful. >> chris, what happened? is this wrong? >> i think it looks fantastic. >> it's beautiful. >> it was just -- he told me you looked like an easter egg. i thought that was hateful of her to say. >> mike barnicle is here -- >> the kids said, let me sit nek next to you in the park. >> it's not even a minute after. let's talk about joe lieberman. he's spent the past three or four days saying he's not going to get the treaty passed, republicans are on a roll, thank god. he said something else a couple days ago that was a splap at the white house. i don't think he's running for re-election in 2012. >> everything he seems to be saying, subtitles are, say
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good-bye to connecticut. >> exactly. connecticut, a state where barack obama's approval ratings are still high there. you know, jonathan capehart, he talks about how the republicans are on a roll. ppp had great polling outfit that's a democratic polling outfit has been giving democrats bad news all year. yesterday, though, they came out with a poll showing the republican approval rating is 28%. disapproval, 51%. that is hardly a political party on a roll. >> right. i saw your tweet about that yesterday. i went and i looked at that poll. i think maybe joe lieberman, you might be right, he might not be running again and might be going out with guns blazing. remember, the democrats, they crapped all over him if his re-election race. >> that's a nice way of putting it. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> good morning. >> i hope that oatmeal is going down smoothly. >> by the way -- >> i'm sorry. >> we would never do such a
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thing here. this is a professional outfit. >> sure, it is. just look at him. >> i'm wearing it a second day in a row. you know why? because i woke up late. >> seriously. you called me an easter egg. i would say -- >> you have that audition for the new -- they're redoing the show "coach" so he's wearing the sweat suit two days in a row. >> that was a great show. van dyk's brother. there was a flash from 1987. who's on today? >> we have elizabeth warren on today. that should be perfect timing. >> bankers all over america rejoice. senator chuck schumer will be on the row and representative paul ryan as well. we look forward to that, as well as mike barnicle and jonathan capehart on the set with us this morning. willie geist. >> willie's here. >> willie, don't insult me. >> love the dress. a-plus. >> seriously? how long does it take you to walk from the control room into here? >> busy had to take care of along the way. >> you talk to your colombian
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friends -- >> i had to pick up a backage down stairs pip do love the dress. >> let's do the news. it's time for a look at today's top stories. president obama wrapped up his two-day conference on the threat of nuclear weapons with a commitment from all 47 nations who attended the summit. the governments of all 46 nations, plus the united states, each said they would safeguard nuclear material and put it out of the reach of terrorists within four years. experts note that the commitments to this effort are voluntarily and that reaching the goal will be a challenge. obama says the mission can be accomplished. >> this is an ambitious goal. and we are under no illusions that it are be easy. but the urgency of the threat and catastrophic consequences of evency single act of terrorism
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are once bold and pragmatic and this is a goal that can be achiev achieved. >> however, not everyone believes on obama's recent deal-making on nuclear summit. >> this idea, though, that somehow this agreement with the russians will somehow be motivating to north korea, iran, other countries that are moving syria, that have nuclear ambitions, it's pure foolishness. it's just foolish. again, this is also a bit dwegsary from 9.7% unemployment in this country and multi-trillion dollar debts. >> okay. >> mike barnicle, i was about to ask, is this guy running for president of the united states again? then i remembered, no, he's running against j.d. hayworth. this is primary talk, isn't it?
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>> this is geared to the right out in arizona. he's getting that -- >> by the way, he's not mavericking. >> he's not. he's revoked that. >> he's never a maverick. >> never was. >> we were confused. >> he was always out there on the right-hand side of the road. we just never picked it up. >> i'm slow. >> with his blinkers on, of course. >> okay. he's not a maverick. tell sarah palin that. >> i'm sorry. several deadly earthquaking have struck china's qinghai province. they have searched for victims buried beneath the rubble and beneath homes. rescue efforts have been hingered by downed phone lines, strong winds and frequent halfshocks. the earthquake-ave aravaged cou of haiti got a surprise visit
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from michelle obama. she detoured from her scheduled visit to mexico city to check in on the island's recovery efforts where hundreds of thousands are homeless after the disaster three months ago. president obama, meanwhile, will travel to poland this week to attend the funeral of polish president lech kaczynski, who was killed last weekend in a plane crash. glad he's going there. that's -- that's as good as it gets. president obama will meet today with both democrat and republican congressional leaders on the issue of financial regul regulation form. top republicans criticized the democrats' proposed legislation as perpetuating wall street bailouts. mitch mcconnell says those bailouts need to stop. >> we cannot allow endless taxpayer funded bailouts for big wall street banks. that's why we must not pass the financial reform bill that's about to hit the floor.
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the way to solve the problem is to let the people who made the mistakes pay for them. we won't solve this problem until the biggest banks are allowed to fail. >> well, let them fail. >> very interesting, new york post article, mike barnicle, that talks about how a lot of new yorkers are upset at chuck schumer down on wall street, that schumer's throwing new york's largest industry, quote, to the wolves. tell us about the article and some of the grousing from the bankers there. >> mayor bloomberg of new york city went to washington the day before yesterday and complained that the united states senate, washington, they were ganging up on bankers, too much. it was way overboard. that new york city depended largely on tax revenues from wall street in order to employ teachers, firefighters. and the implication in the post article, right here, if we can -- chuck mia in crucial new york street fight that chuck
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schumer hasn't been lending enough support to wall street and financial regulatory reform article. this is going to go on all through the summer, joe. this is the big fight, republican versus democrats. >> and we have chuck schumer coming in. the reason why a lot of democrats that are down on wall street, that always give money to schumer and other democrats, thinks he's doing it is because he wants to be the senate majority leader after harry reid loses. so, they're akugs him of not defending new york's interests. i will say, though, if you want a champion of new york, and the champion of what makes new york great, i love this guy. >> yeah. >> willie geist, david paterson, he's getting ready to line up a ballout. i kid you not, our favorite place, where do we go at 9:01 with with a pack of marlboro.
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>> otb. >> off track betting. >> he wants to offer legislation to bail out off track betting for a year, for a year. >> we love it. >> it's important. >> apparently they're in bankruptcy court. >> that was one of the first editorials i read. >> not enough. not enough. >> here's how bad the new york state government is. they can't even make money running a gambling operation. how do you lose money on a gambling ring? >> serious! >> it's impossible. >> serious. and all the money we blow there every day. >> nobody wins gambling and you're losing. amazing. >> big bailout. >> mayor bloomberg, he's now the most popular mayor in 30 years. >> ever. >> beating out america's mayor. can you believe that? did you think america's mayor would be -- >> hard to believe. hard to believe. >> just unbelievable. >> arianna huffington is a big fan of america's mayor.
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>> when bloomberg came in replacing giuliani, i was very concerned, but he is about the most efficient mayor i've ever seen. remember lindsey back in the late '60s, early '70s called new york the ungovernable city. well, bloomberg has proven that completely wrong. this is a very governable city. think about it, think about the time that he's been running this city while -- i mean, starting september -- >> he's had extra time. >> well -- >> oh, come on. >> because he made that happen for himself. >> people wanted him in there. >> during a massive downturn, economic downturn, when wall street was losing a lot of money, we just kept going. >> you know, it's not just manhattan where he's governed either. i was in brooklyn yesterday. and the streets are clean. there's huge police presence. not that there needs to be -- well, there does need to be, but you can see cops.
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>> there are parts of brooklyn, pike. go ahead. >> i know. but you don't see labor strife. you see him taking on the teachers unions. you see him out there each and every day doing the job of mayor. >> you go up to harlem, mika and i have talked about it an awful lot, what's happening in harlem is great with a lot of these charter schools, but you look at public schools, jonathan capehart, graduation rates in new york public schools, higher than they've been in decades. >> i worked on bloomberg's first campaign for mayor as a policy adviser. the very first -- >> did you really? >> -- policy paper he wanted to put out was on education. he's made education the hall mark of his mayoralty and keeping the city as safe as it was under giuliani, continuing economic expansion. one other thing i would like to point out about bloomberg and his success, is the racial climate in this city is the best it's been in years. >> yeah. >> well, that's because
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barnical's only here two days a week. >> that's true. one more story for you this morning. former new york republican governor pataki will not enter the race for senate -- >> gillibrand is walking into this seat. >> instead he says he will begin a new national organization aimed at repealing the recently passed health care reform. >> oh, he's running for president. >> what is he thinking? a new quinnipiac poll indicates if he were to enter the race for new york senate he would be leading gillibrand. >> i have no idea. wow. maybe we'll find out -- >> maybe this -- >> -- she's got a secret arm going after people. >> it's like the pelican brief. i mean -- >> you give her time. >> wow. all right, that's a look at the news. up next -- >> was that a 1989 reference? >> that was a great reference.
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>> i'm living in the '90s, baby. >> i was with you. i heard you. >> you get it. >> you get. supreme court justices, but anyway, go ahead. the republican race for 2012, an early look at which possible contenders are leading the charge for campaign cash. that's next in the "politico playbook". the final frontier, president obama to announce his new plan for nasa as we look at live pictures from outer space. will it include a mission to mars? from one quarterback to another, terry bradshaw tells ben roethlisberger how he really feels about him. his behavior. and even his looks. >> our relationship is not any good. you know, he doesn't like me. and i'm learning not to like him. >> that's coming up in sports. but first, here's bill karins with a check of the forecast. >> learning not to like him.
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well, as far as this morning goes, you step out the door, a little shocking, a little cold and you probably won't like that either. 33 in albany. this afternoon's going to be gorgeous. temperatures are going to soar up into the 60s. it's going to be a banner perfect spring wednesday out there. even as we go through the thursday period, it looks great. but then we turn the corner. reality sets in. not just new york, but all of upstate areas of new york and new england. friday and saturday it's going to be a cold, chilly rain. be prepared for that. rest of the country, we're in a very quiet weather pattern and it looks great in so many areas. enjoy your wednesday. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. national car rental knows i'm picky.
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the future looks bright, but that doesn't mean we can forget our past. in fact, we need to re-remember it. virginia governor bob mcdonnell agrees with me, that's why he declared april confederate history month. that's why this month bumper stickers will read virginians are for lovers of embarrassing chappers in american history. >> pretty good. welcome back to "morning joe." some other headlines in today's newspapers. we'll start with "the new york times." researchers are reporting a significant drop worldwide in the number of women dying each year from pregnancy and childbirth. among the reasons, lower pregnancy rates, improved nutrition, more education and availability of skilled attendants. the front page photo shows first lady michelle obama making a surprise stop in port-au-prince. >> that was a touching day with her there. the houston chronicle --
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obama revising plans for nasa. president obama is expected to announce a revamped space plan to reduce nasa's spending by $6 million over the next five years with the ultimate goal of going to mars. "los angeles times" -- arizona lawmakers have approved what many agree is the toughest measure in the country against illegal immigrants. it makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in arizona and requires police officers to investigate a person's immigration status if they have reasonable suspicion someone might be illegal. the governor is expected to sign the bill. the seattle times -- former ceo tells his company was in the process of setting things right when regulators unfairly seized their banking operations. other wamu execs told a different story about a company unwilling to come to grips with basic flaws in its business strategy. that was a hell of a summation. >> it was.
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>> of the -- you know, you usually do the headlines and then you say, here are the headlines. >> seriously? it's good you just wore your pajamas. >> that was a summation of the whole article. >> you read the article. >> you don't have to read it now. you don't have to read the whole front section of the seattle times. >> we could do the crossword puzzle. >> i did the crossword puzzle -- >> i'm talking to mike allen, chief political correspondent for politico here with a look at the playbook. good morning. >> good to see you. >> i was interested to read that you think this supreme court nominee fight is going to be nastier than ever. why do you say that? >> the white house expects this is going to be much tougher than last summer's fight for justice sotomayor. she was a brilliant, pegged very difficult for republicans to attack. this year, a year on, the republican base is much more active, much more exciting, and is going to be much more insistent that senate republicans really put up a fight, go much beyond the pro
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forma back and forth that lapped last time and closer to the election. the white house is is going to try to compress the time between nomination and confirmation. the more time your nominee hangs out there, the more chances someone is going to find interest. republicans are going to try to stretch it out. >> you know, this is going to get very interesting. obviously, the democrats, back when bush was there, tried to slow things down, tried to stop a vote for coming up. that's when you had your gang of 14. it looks like we're going to get right back into the nuclear option talk, mike, aren't we? >> that's right. because republicans are going to say that they're responding to unhappiness with president's agenda, whereas democrats have a plan, very specific, to use this as their exhibit a when they talk about republican obstructionism. that's going to be a big message going into november. they think the court fight is going to be something that will be fresh in people's mind and will get a lot of coverage. >> here's your problem. they're going to have a lot of
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conservatives and moderate democrats going to oppose the nominee anyway. unfortunately, it's sad, we can say that before nominees are even called up, it's sad. but, you know, post-bourque, 1988, that is the reality of things now. people pick sides before a president even appoints a nominee. and what's blanche lincoln going to do on this? what's mary landrieu in louisiana -- i mean, it's going to be health care all over again and you'll have four, five, six moderate democrats that are going to be very concerned about going along with someone seen as a left wing jurist, despite the fact we have -- you know, they could probably -- they could probably pick bruce willis as supreme court nominee and he would be painted as a left wing marxist. >> good luck. >> nice little laugh. would you not agree with me? >> it was a polite laugh. >> you know what i'm saying. come on, would you like to bet that whoever is -- >> it's going to be bruce
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willis. >> -- nominated is not going to be called as a left wing marxist? >> they're going to have a hard time. elena kagan has been very cautious over her career. you're right, they'll try. >> mike, it's never too early to talk about 2012. sarah palin grabs all the headlines. which republican is actually out there raising the most money? >> mitt romney, baby. raking it in, dog. $1.5 million in the first three months of this year. half a million for the minnesota governor tim pawlenty. sarah palin, she's a little less, $400,000. she's raising money for herself, not for republicans. >> she's raking it in for herself, based on the numbers we saw yesterday. >> what did he make? >> 12 conservative. >> but $7 million is the book. i think that's a little -- >> that's still $7 million. what do you mean? >> that's a lot of money. >> are you guys criticizing him? >> no, no.
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god bless her. >> family are up in arms about her requirements for a speech. >> which aren't even that bad. >> they're not that bad. >> we'll talk about that coming up later. mike, we'll check in with you later in the show. thanks so much. when we come back -- >> my bendy straw. when we come back, she spent more than four days, did you hear this, lost in swamp full of alligators. a young girl's rescue story. it's unbelievable one. that's straight ahead snud don't foregeshgts you can listen to "morning joe" on your way to work now. we're broadcasting live right now on satellite radio. tune into sirius channel 90, xm channel 120. "morning joe" to go. >> on the road. [ female announcer ] grass stains, believe it or not,
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♪ i'm looking at this sarah palin contract. >> well, yeah. >> and i -- you know, i just saw a little on the blogosphere yesterday, found in a trash can and i thought she was asking for all of these outrageous things. >> like madonna asks for. >> yeah, two unopened bottled waters. is that really -- two straws that are bendable.
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is that really asking too much that they don't open up the bottles? i know msnbc can't afford unopened water bottles for us, but -- >> i know, willie -- >> fresh lilacs. >> seriously? like lindsay lohan. >> special soap. welcome back to "morning joe." >> lavender soaps. >> i don't want -- i don't need to -- >> switch from lavender, come on. >> really? >> just before 6:30 on the east coast. >> you should see jonathan's demands. should we go there? >> no, no. >> jonathan has been slapped down, by the way, by the reverend al sharpton. we'll read that e-mail next block. >> i think the reverend was correct. toyota is temporarily halting sales of the gx460 after there was a warninging don't buy.
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electronic controls took too long to kick in after it slid out of control in sharp turns. consumer reports says that could lead to rollover accidents. toyota has already recalled 8 million cars and trucks will now be conducting its own tests. here we go. i hope this script has been -- a. >> oh, my. >> a male aide has filed a sexual harassment complaint, alleging he groped and propositioned him. the aide says -- >> routinely made gestures implying that he wanted to have oral -- >> no, no, no, no, no, it's the morning. why does it have to say that? >> internal documents three months after massa was elected. his young male employee began complaining to supervisors that massa was making aggressive sexual overtones to him. ethics committee is
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investigating how democratic leaders handled the investigation after they forced a house vote demanding the probe. >> the probe? >> mika, what's next? >> who's writing this? >> another story out of upstate new york, mika. >> you know, i should go ahead and read -- >> go ahead, dot news. syracuse oouftd students are petitioning the college to remove jpmorgan chase chairman and ceo jamey diamond as this year's commencement speaker. according to the online quote, they are against using the 2010 commencement to restore -- >> i agree with them. >> no, you don't! >> no, you don't. >> this is the one guy seriou y ly that acted responsible over the past five years. show that guy's picture. everybody else was spending money they didn't have. jamie dimon took a nothing bank
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out of the midwest, turned it into a winner, came back and took -- there's jamie calling right now -- and then what he did, it was incredible. if you read the beginning of andrew ross soshg rkin's book " big to fail" -- can we turn off the drums? jamie dimon is the one guy everybody would call because he was keeping his head. because he actually was not spending like a freak. they didn't mess up there. they did it right. in fact, there was this great -- there's this great scene out of another book, i think, where jamie dimon's celebrating his birthday. and he gets a call from dick foyle who says he needs money. jamie dimon gets up, walks out on the sidewalk, how much do you need? maybe $31 million. dead silence. he just goes.
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>> now someone's calling. >> don't make me throw that phone. but this is actually a guy, mike barnicle, who kept his head through the process. this is is exactly who college graduates need to have talk to their institution. >> it's good college students are speak out. >> they should listen to him. that's what they should do. >> i agree. i agree. >> the white house, actually -- listen, i'm in no position to defend bankers. they got into the risk business. i don't want my bank in the risk business. >> by the way, you're related to one. >> we love bankers. >> there are a handful of people at the top echelon of the financial services sector that the white house ought to listen to, to incorporate their ideas into regulatory reform. >> and it starts with jamie dimon. >> it absolutely begins with jamie dimon. >> starts with jamie dimon. there's a guy, again, who was responsible when everybody else over the past five years -- >> message received, although i still think it's -- 800 of them
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have signed the petition. this is syracuse we're talking about. >> it is syracuse. >> who went to syracuse? >> who goes to syracuse? >> who sends their child to syracuse? >> they still think they're in the final four. chris? >> oh, i'm sorry, chris. are you an orange man? >> you didn't go to syracuse, did you? >> look at the orange man, chris lidge. >> first of all, i'm very disappointed in the people who signed the petition but i still put it in news. >> i think it's great when student get involved and engaged in who their speakers are and debate it. >> if they want dick fuld there, okay. >> it was like that college that didn't want the president, it was ridiculous, but i like the conversation. we ought to be talking about the banking industry more. now we need to get to sports. we didn't get to the alligator story. >> we'll have to -- we really need to -- you look at these stories, i was watching nightly news last night, and usually
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these stories come along. oh, god, another one -- >> this is a good one. >> this is a great one. a girl with mild autism misses for days, waist-deep -- it was a very moving story for any parent. >> i'm going to figure out who was calling. >> happy ending, he beat the rap, right? terry bradshaw -- >> he did beat the rap, not terry bradshaw's rap. disciplinary actions may be against ben roethlisberger, leaving the nfl office yesterday after meeting with league commissioner. roth lis be roethlisberger is catching some heat, though, from a former steelers great, terry bradshaw, the four-time super bowl champion quarterback answered a question at an event about his strained relationship with ben roethlisberger. >> when i told him to park the
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motorcycle, he got pissed, all right? then he had the accident. and since then, there's -- you know, he doesn't like me. and i'm learning not to like him. if you're single, walk into a bar with beautiful women and have them fill your ego up, you know, and you ask yourself, will they pay any attention to you if you weren't who you are, of course not, because i'm not that attractive, neither is ben. >> oh, all right. >> suggesting roethlisberger should stay out of the bars, clubs, stay in your career. in pittsburgh, 14 years, he can count on one hand the number of times he went out. he says, it's not worth it. play football. >> that's great advice. great advice about the motorcycle. great advice about hanging out with 20-year-old women in bars. seriously? i mean, if you're making that kind of money and the people of pittsburgh have invested that much in you, grow up. bradshaw's right. >> and bradshaw's been peeved
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roethlisberger hasn't shown him the respect over the years he thinks he probably deserves? >> thinks probably? probably? >> four super bowl rings. i mean, if i'm ben i'm on the phone with terry bradshaw every day. this is a game coming up next week, what do i feed to do? survey in miami herald show find americans doing their taxes out slightly more bearable than going to a funeral? why is that in there. americans for tax reform, there's your transition, grover norquist, everything's a surprise, he says paying taxes will become more painful in the next two years. how could it become more painful than it is? >> also, we'll let you know why the reverend sharpton says jonathan capehart's mouth should be washed out with soap. hi, we're the campbells.
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." great to have you with us. a nice shot of new york. look at that beautiful shot of the city. >> oh, wow. >> good morning. >> shades of yellow. as is mika brzezinski. by the way, the white house -- >> you know what, you're -- >> you know what, i e-mailed valerie yesterday. hadn't heard from him for a while. said, i hope you're doing all right. she says, i wasn't going to bother you, e-mail you, because chris told me to not bother you. but since i e-mailed her, she said, i'm going to e-mail you. now the attacks are coming in. she likes your dress. >> everybody does. >> it's fabulous. fabulous is a word i was thinking -- >> as usual, we clash. >> we do clash. who was it?
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was it tina brown said it looks like we're going to two different parties. >> sally quinn. >> she said, you can always tell couples that aren't working out because they dress like they're going to two different parties. i'm definitely going to a football game and you're going to an estate dinner. >> just thought i'd -- >> and reverend al sharpton going after you. >> you used poor language. >> i used poor language. i'm sorry. here's the e-mail he just sent me. >> well, you said -- >> he said your mouth -- >> he said mika should wash out my mouth -- there you see it. >> i have to? >> yeah. with soap. tell mika to wash out her mouth. >> we're with reverend al on that one. >> yes. >> we're sorry, reverend. we'll apologize profusely. >> i'm glad you're keeping me here with you. >> let's raise the bar on this conversation. the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist, holding the annual tax day eve
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press conference later today. everyone here at the table has got their taxes done, correct? >> and nobody's happy about it, grover. so what are we going to hear at your press conference today? >> well, several things. the president obama was elected with his most frequently made promise that he'd never raise taxes on middle income americans. the health care legislation he signed has seven taxes that directly target middle income americans and a whole bunch that incontradi indirectly tax them. if you ever have a medical device put into your body, you'll have an extra tax, although that doesn't count as a direct tax on you. there are a lot of taxes in the health care bill, about 17 different ones, seven directly hit lower income americans. that's not helpful. remember george bush was elected promising not to raise taxes. he broke that promise. obama has now broken his number one promise when he got elected in the last election. >> let me ask you about the
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republicans' response to this health care bill, because lawrence o'donnell, who comes on this show a good bit, as you know, he helped run the finance committee for patrick moynahan when they raised taxes for bill clinton in '93, he said republicans missed the boat this past year in the health care debate. instead of making up things about death panels they should have just talked about the death-defying tax increases. lawrence calls this is the larns know largest tax increase in u.s. history. is it? >> it is. it's a very significant tax increase. it's phased in so the size is hidden a little bit. the further out you go, the more expensive it is. the next shoe to drop is the value-added tax. all of the people around the obama administration have been hinting that a value-added tax, a european-style sales tax levied at every level of production. the average in europe is 20%. they always start small. they've got to an average of 20% in europe.
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that's the next step. today at the press conference we'll be mentioning that we've sent a letter to obama asking him to flatly say whether he opposes a v.a.t., which he should do if he's going to keep his promise at all when he got elected, or whether he'll leave the door open to the most massive tax on middle income americans that they've ever seen. >> grover, i want to ask you to respond to one of our must read op-eds, written by ruth marcus. is tom coburn too nice for the gop? there's something weird going on in the republican party when oklahoma senator tom coburn is the voice of reason. there's something dangerous going on in the republican party when he is vilified for it. the late senator daniel patrick moynahan used to like to say everyone is intilgted to his own opinions but not his own facts. dissenting opinions are not tolerated. facts that clash with preconceived ideas must be ignored if not outright denied. >> grover, when i went to your meeting about a month ago, i
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loved how every time somebody would bring up one of these conspiracy theories, somebody in the back would say about where obamas born. he would say, i don't care where he was born. just stop with the conspiracy theories. let's stick with the facts. well, tom coburn was at a town hall meeting, someone tried to demonize nancy pelosi. and coburn said, she's a nice lady. i like her. but she's wrong. she's wrong about everything. but i still like her. and coburn's been demonized. wouldn't you agree with me that conservatives win when they talk facts, policy and when they leave the personal stuff out of it? >> there's no reason to go personal. in 1998 when republicans went personal against clinton, it cost them politically. both clinton and obama have raised taxes, spent too much money. as long as the american people and the republican candidates
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talk about what obama and pelosi and reid are doing to their pocketbooks, to their kids' future with the debt and deficit and spending they're rolling up, that's all you need to say. why go beyond that? the facts are with the critics of obama spending. thernd stick with that. >> tom coburn is on the show tomorrow. >> great american. >> great american. >> what would you do, if you could, about a tax code that allows warren buffett to pay less of a percentage in income taxes than his secretary? >> 14%. >> yeah, there's that. >> okay. well, warren buffett is an advocate of higher taxes. he can afford to be. he's got an awful lot of money. i would like to see taxes reduced on all americans and not try and divide us into different groups and argue for raising taxes on one group and then turning around and raising them on another. as you know, in massachusetts, they have a flat rate income tax in massachusetts. i think that leads to more fairness. we should go with a single rate. just as the people of
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massachusetts have had in their constitution. >> you know, mike, you and grover bring up a great point. i'm sick and tired of the super rich saying, oh, let's have more taxes. i'm super rich. i can afford more. people flying around in jet. guess what? they can afford a fleet of account accountants. they can afford estate lawyers. they can afford the best lawyers around. if you're warren buffett f you're bill gates f you're super rich f you make tens of millions of dollars a year, you're paying 12%, 13% tax rate. of course you'll say, i'll pay more taxes. >> but -- >> while people making $200,000 with a family of five living no new york city are paying 45%, 50%, 55 # 5% of everything he makes. ing there there is nothing fair about that. i'm not just picking on warren buffett. you can talk to people worth $20
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million -- >> donny duitch always says, raise taxes. i guarantee you donny duitch is not the same tax rate that a family of five in new york is paying. >> we have to go. grover norquist. >> thanks for starting the discussion. >> we'll see you in washington. we're just getting started here. coming up, elizabeth warren from the congressional oversite panel joins us. also, senator chuck schumer and congressman paul ryan of wisconsin. first, willie, what do you have coming up next? >> well, eye got some more specific information on sarah palin, about the righter, t eri backstage stuff she needs. details next. [ male announcer ] there are 16 chevy models with a five star frontal crash safety rating.
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making. >> why? >> and her demands. here's what she's cording to abc news, estimating, they call it a conservative estimate, 12 million bucks. $100 grand a pop for her speeches. they say when you factor in fox news and other things, it could be north of $15 million. >> good for her. >> i agree. >> does anybody around the table have a problem with that? >> no. >> of course not. >> people are upset about her demands, her rider when she makes a speech. she asks for, let me just tell you, by many standards, this ain't nothing. she asks for an unopened bottled of still water. two, in fact. she wants bendable straws placed in or near the wooden lectern. ensure that the table is skirted. >> that's very reasonable stuff. >> right, to cover her legs. >> to cover her legs. >> theat's a request. >> there's so much good material, we don't need this.
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>> that leadership thing was plexiglass. they violated the rider. >> really quickly, nance went after tiger, right? >> jim nance, announcer does the play-by-play, not the color man for the masters, talking about tiger. >> if i said what he said on the air, i would be fireded. >> right. >> it's interesting. i read "usa today" and it was called "mild language" and rightly so. somewhat of pie broadcast dismied it as the fact he had a camera in his face. phil mickelson had a camera in his face. did you hear him come close to approaching that? >> good for jim nance. good for jim nance. we'll be right back. what's around the corner is one of life's great questions.
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president of china, hu jintao is in washington this week. president obama was seen bowing to the chinese leader. well, he has to. i mean, the rent's going to be late again next month. >> welcome back to "morning joe." with us still, mike barnicle, washington post columnist and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart. with us, joining the conversation, founder and editor of "the daily beast," tina brown. >> thank you. where is my bendable straw. >> it's coming. >> oh, you diva. so demanding. >> i tell you what, it was so funny watching people last night attack sarah palin for her
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demands. the people who were attacking sarah palin, oh, my god -- >> running around through their garbage and see -- >> exactly. they want a lot more than two unopened bottled waters. >> all right. we have to get to news. we've got a good show coming up. >> elizabeth warren is coming up. >> yes, i was going to mention that. >> is she from washington? yes, she's right there. first, let's take a look at today's top stories. president obama wrapped up his two-day conference on the threat of nuclear weapons with a commitment from all 47 nations who attended the summit. the government's of all 46 countries plus the u.s. each agreed to take their own efforts to safeguard mshg material and put it out of the reach of terrorists within four years. experts note that these commitments are voluntary and reaching the goal will be a challenge. obama says the mission can be accomplished. >> this is an ambitious goal.
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and we are under no illusionis s that it will be easy. the urgency of the threat and the catastrophic consequences of even a single act of nuclear terrorism demands an effort that was once bold and pragmatic. this is a goal that can be achieved. >> however, not everyone believes in obama's recent deal-making on nuclear weapons, including john mccain, who called the whole summit nothing more than a diversion of the country's economic problems. >> this idea, though, that somehow this agreement with the russians will somehow be motivating to north korea, iran, other countries that are moving -- syria, that obviously have nuclear ambitions, it's pure foolishness. it's just foolish. but, again, this is also a bit
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dwegsary on the debt. >>. >> he's getting this jimmy cadny kind of sound, doesn't he? >> because he's not a maverick. >> not mavericky. not anymore. but he's being very critical of barack obama. i said last hour, my initial thought was that maybe he was running for president again. this is just about winning a primary, isn't it? >> it's just about winning. i love the way to win now you just are to bring in sarah palin and run as fast as you can from her. this whole scott brown was so entertaining to me. >> what is that? >> first, you know, you want her. then you kind of run because the tea party now and then the herbal tea party where you have to get away from those guys. >> oh, i love it. you want her crowds. >> you want her crowds. and then you want out. >> mike, are you surprised that john mccain keeps going after barack obama? or is it political survival?
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>> first of all, i'm stunned. i completely misread john mccain over the past 15 years. i always thought he was a maverick. he told me he was a maverick. behaved like a maverick. now j.d. hayworth appears on the scene and he's -- >> that was the title of his book. maverick is in the title of one of his books. i learned that on "morning joe." but he's not a maverick anymore. >> he's not. several deadly earthquakes have -- >> i'm sorry. >> several earthquakes have struck china's western qinghai province this morning. at least 400 are confirmed dead and at least 10,000 injured. rescuers have scrambled to res view victims. rescue efforts have been hindered by downed phone lines, strong winds and frequent aftershocks. >> what's with all the earthquakes? >> i know. >> it's incredible. >> jonathan capehart, you're a
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baptist, right? >> no. >> close? >> i don't think so. >> no. >> jehovah witness. but that was my grandmother. >> in times? >> i don't think so. >> i'm the last person to ask. >> i'm asking -- >> is this an al gore question? is this something for big al? can he tell us about the earthquakes? is this part of the new horror? >> it's unbelievable. >> hate . >> haiti, chile, china a couple times. >> i love how you say chile. >> i can't remember this many earthquakes. i don't think al gore can take credit for any of this. president obama will be mee meeting today with democrats and republicans on the issue of financial regulation reform. chances of a bipartisan compromise on a reform bill took a hit yesterday as top senate republicans criticized democrats' proposed legislation as perpetuating wall street bailouts.
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mitch mcconnell says those bailouts need to stop. >> we cannot endless taxpayer bailouts for big wall street banks. that's why we must not pass the financial reform bill that's about to hit the floor. the way to solve the problem is to let the people who made the mistakes pay for them. we won't solve this problem until the biggest banks are allowed to fail. >> all right. a lot to talk about there. with us now, leo gottley, a professor of law at harvard. what are you laughing about? >> mitch mcconnell, what's he saying? he goes to wall street, hangs out with the top guys of wall street, which is perfectly fine. and i think you can make a spirit the defense for the banks who have paid back this money, but don't go to the banks, tell the banks you're going to defend the banks and then go play hughey long on the floor of the senate. >> you know, joe's so right. i think we now need to have a hypocrisy meeting.
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there's going to be this new fact-checking thing this week, where the -- >> right. >> where they come up and say what the facts are. i do think we have to have a total bull meter going. >> well, the bull meter just busted there. >> we just got one. we have one now with us. the chair of the congressional oversight panel, elizabeth warren joins us from washington. >> elizabeth -- >> i think she ranks as someone -- >> she does. elizabeth, playing the role of hughey long tonight, senator mcconnell from kentucky, does the democratic bill, which i'm sure you don't like, but for different reasons than mitch, does the democratic bill perpetuate bailouts of big banks? >> no. >> okay. >> thank you very much. >> go back to class. no, so, but you're concerned, actually, that congress won't go far enough, right? >> i'm concerned that there isn't enough regulatory structure here, that we're not doing enough on derivatives.
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i'm concerned actually, about the resolution authority. i want it to be tough. but the notion that it perpetuates bailouts, you know, that's just nuts. if we don't put something in place to deal with failing financial institutions, we stay right where we are. and where we are is that we have given an implicit guarantee to the largest financial institutions in america. and they're getting ratings bumps based on the fact that, you know, the real finances would put them here, say, the rating agencies. but, hey, the fact that the american taxpayers would come in and bail them out is putting them up here. you know, we have to change that. that's what this regulatory reform bill is trying to do. >> and, of course, the argument is that there is no moral hazard on wall street anymore because you always know that either the fed chairman or the taxpayers will be there to back you up.
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. so, again, your rating is artificially high. >> did anybody see "the new york times" piece about lehman's about the amount of oe passty in their books. that surely has got to be fixed. the need for greater transparency. >> how does that get fixed, elizabeth? >> that's a very good question about how we're going to fix this. i think that part of this is that we're learning the third chapter of how it works with these large financial institutions right now. and that is, we saw the first part about how they have these implicit guarantees, how we will bail them out no matter what. and now what the congressional oversight panel talks about in its report today is the mortgage crisis. the fact that we continue to have 200,000 families every month posted for mortgage foreclosure. so, what's happened? treasury's put some incentives on the table. they've invited the big banks. they said, look, couldn't you work with these homeowners, try
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to get something worked out that's going to be reasonable for everyone? and what did those very same big wall street banks say yesterday in testimony before congress? they said, you know, back when we were in trouble, the argument was, we're all in the same boat, we all need help, and so you've got to bail us out. now, we have literally millions of homeowners, 1.7 million families last year, lost their homes in foreclosure. and we're slated for even more this year. what's the answer of these large banks? actually, we're not so much all in the same boat. we kind of wanted to go our own way and continue to squeeze these families as hard as we can. >> so, we're not out of the woods in the housing crisis? >> we are not out of woods. >> didn't a couple of them, citibank and bank of america, before the house yesterday -- >> yep. >> -- indicate they would go along with federal judges sitting -- >> and your friends from
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jpmorgan chase said, no, we're not doing that. >> so there's a split. >> we're not part of the solution here. that's exactly right. >> we better call syracuse and let them know that. >> like health care, it's so complex. it's so complicated that we do need to have a very clear goal with this. where we can actually understand -- >> mika, a lot going on today. elizabeth has a new report out. >> she just touched on it a little bit. given the housing crisis and the treasury's foreclosure plan and the numbers she just put out there, thank you, where do we go with this, then?
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wasn't there a huge effort on the part of the white house to deal with the housing -- >> it is a huge crisis. when congress passed the t.a.r.p. bill, it didn't say, go use $700 billion to bail out the big financial institutions. it said, we're going to measure the success of the -- remember, it was troubled assets, that's about mortgages. we're going to measure it based on what it does to unemployment,
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to homes -- to savings and to home morning foreclosures. that was a priority. treasury finally got its main plan together a little over a year ago. and last year it managed over 15 months to save -- to put in to permanent modifications about if a reasonable deal could be worked out, it's better for everyone if they stay. but the most important part is we need to get ahead of this problem. our economy ultimately cannot recover if we're still looking into the future saying, million and a half foreclosures this year, another million after that, 800,000 the year after that. that has an impact on the construction industry, on employment, on all the way throughout the economy. so the problem is, we've got to rip the band-aid off, fix this problem and then move forward and rebuild our economy. >> mike barnicle? >> elizabeth, let's talk about the human nature aspect of the problem. it's a big problem coast to coast. one of the largest banks in america, one of the largest mortgagehoeders, it goes does like they have 20 million mortgages in their portfolio. of the 20 million mortgages there are 2 million of those
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mortgageholders who have over the last year paid nothing on their mortgage and are still in their homes. if i'm one of those 2 million, i'm sitting there having paid nothing and i'm still in my home, why would i ever want to be sitting down talking about a deal? >> you know, this is the problem we've got. that's how we're getting this one into gridlock. what we need by way of mortgage modification is to rip the band-aid off and say, this is it. some people are staying. let's get that sorted out. let's get the best deal we can. some people are not staying. you are not staying in a home that you are not paying for. we've got it -- we've got to sober up here and sober up with the homeowners and we've got to sober up with the big banks that hold these mortgages. enough of this pretending. >> i wonder if -- >> mika doesn't like talking about sobering up. >> i don't support that bill. >> not at all. >> so, i wonder if those in charge, though, want her to stop talking and maybe putting her on
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the supreme court, which is what i'm reading here, and then they wouldn't hear the real talk about our economy anymore. >> supreme court justice. >> don't do it, elizabeth! >> don't do it. >> they're bag you off, elizabeth. >> look at her. >> get banks out of the risk business and get elizabeth warren in a black robe. >> i love it. >> i love it. >> elizabeth warren, keeping mum on that one. thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. up next, live to mexico city with savannah guthrie traveling with the first lady michelle obama. few fallout for congressman eric massa. we'll detail, or not, the latest accusations. we're going to regroup on our wording there. >> yeah. >> and toyota reacts a day after consumer reports issued a don't buy for one of its popular suvs. another one. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning, mika. we can't complain about this spring. almost everyone in the country
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has been watching gorgeous weather this spring. we haven't had a lot of severe weather, no tornadoes. the airports have been good this month. no delays in the big airports from i-95. it's a chilly morning but this afternoon will be fantastic. mid to upper 60s. once again, above average. as far as the rest of the country, we continue to be unseasonably warm in the southeast but a little stormy in the northern plains. a quick look at your wednesday forecast. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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the road ahead as you know is not going to be easy. and it's not going to be quick. as you know, the rainy season is
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coming soon. it is here. the hurricane season is coming, too. but i heard a wonderful haitian proverb that put it all in perspective, and some of you probably know it. it says little by little the bird builds its nest. and today the needs of the haitian people are still overwhelming. >> that was first lady michelle obama during her surprise visit to haiti yesterday. she's in mexico right now on her first solo international trip. here with us now, nbc news white house correspondent and co-host of msnbc's "the daily rundown," savannah guthrie live from mexico city. good morning, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. >> let's talk about the surprise visit to haiti. what was the planning behind that? i take it there might have been some questions as to why the president has yet to go there? >> reporter: yeah, and no question by sending the first lady they're wanting to show
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that the u.s. is still focused on haiti, still cares about the rebuilding efforts very much. some have wondered why the president hasn't gone there, as you mentioned. so, in his view, i he probably feels like this is the next best thing. she went there, toured a vooifr's catch. a second helicopter brought the second lady of the united states, dr. jill biden. just to inspire and give hope that the u.s. is still paying attention. it's been three months since the earthquake there. as happens so often, there's a rush of attention, a rush of aid and then people tend to forget. they go back to their daily lives. the purpose of the visit was to have her come there, bring attention so that people -- remember, there's still a lot of rebuilding that needs to be done. >> now you're in mexico. what is the purpose of this trip, which was on the schedule? >> reporter: yes. we thought this would be the first stop, as you mentioned, the haiti trip was unannounced because of security, so it was a surprise. she's here, first have all, to meet with the first lady of mexico, somebody she has a few things in common with. but this is supposedly the
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kickoff to her international agenda. if you look at the schedule, it seems to be all about engaging the youth of the world. she's going to do some touring of historical sites. she's going to see the national museum of an throw bol anthropo. she'll sit down with some kids, they'll perform for her, have some q&a and the big trip is to college and high school aged kids at a university and then later tonight she'll have dinner at the presidential palace, at the residence with the first lady of mechanics mexico. >> president obama wraps up nuclear summit with a good deal accomplished there, and now has plans to go to poland, which makes many of us here quite happy. >> reporter: he does, indeed. you know, this was something they obviously were thinking about. as we know, the traditional role for vice presidents is to attend state funerals but given the
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gravity, the grooet therief the mourning there, the president is going himself. he'll leave saturday and attend services on sunday. >> tina brown? >> what do you think is the next thing on michelle's agenda? she's really the most aerobic first lady we've had for a while. >> reporter: literally. >> her role is to jump about, do this thing with the kids. it's interesting to see that that seems to be her main objective, even when she's traveling internationally now. >> reporter: yeah, i think so. i mean, i think we're seeing an evolving first lady. kind of taking her time with this role. obviously, she's launched her campaign against childhood obesity. something she's not expected to talk about at all while here in mexico. but she does have an event tagged onto this in san diego, one of her let's move event. that's why i had to laugh when you said aerobic, literally she is, to try to bring more attention to that issue. but it's a little nebulous, to be quite honest about it. but it seems michelle obama
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feels her personal touch, she's bringing her own brand of what i've been calling hug diplomacy, that meeting people one-on-one, by being engaging, by being sincere, talking about her path, her life, very straightforwardly, very authentically, that's seems to be where her emphasis is. i'm interested to see her remarks today. i don't, for example, for her to delve into real policy here. i don't expect her to talk about, for example, the drug violence that's going on in this country right now. so -- >> our first foray. >> reporter: more as a individual person. >> savannah guthrie, we'll be following your reporting. thank you very much. we'll be watching you on msnbc's "the daily rundown" at at 9:00 a.m. >> i just think if she can make a dent in the childhood obesity issue, she has done a great thing for this country. >> i love the fact she's gone to haiti.
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i rather like the fact she went with jill biden, two women arriving, showing compassion. i think it's great timing on her part. >> do you think savannah and chuck could show people compassion? show each other a little compassion. >> tina brown, thank you very much. sorry about joe. >> well, you know, this is what we have to deal with here. >> of course. coming up in a few minutes, democratic senator --. >> we have an e-mail. can you read this e-mail, chris? >> sure. e-mailers say mika looks radiant this morning but she does not look like an easter egg, joe. she looks like a peep. >> a what? >> a peep. those little -- >> yeah. >> gum up your teeth? >> was that dirty? what did they say? >> never mind. what's coming up. >> a burst of sunshine. >> yes, radiant. >> steve paulson said you're a ray of sunshine. >> yeah, thanks. coming up in a few minutes,
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democratic senator chuck schumer. he's hoping to clasp down on those arm fees. and later, paul ryan. if you can't stay and watch, listen in on satellite radio, tune in on sirius channel 90 and xm channel 120. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." here, kitty. here, kitty.
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jamie dimon actually -- >> i've got the story in news. >> we'll talk about it. made money for the federal government. he didn't even want to borrow money from the federal government. they forced over big banks to take the money. not all of them, some of them. they paid how much interest -- how much did the federal government make off them? >> remedial reading for those if syracuse, andrew ross sorkin's piece in "the new york times" -- >> they're cute kids. >> a fact's a fact. they repaid the t.a.r.p. money with interest, so the federal government made money. >> as moynahan said -- >> they need to be educateded. >> -- you're not entitled to your own facts. we've been critical of the bailout but the federal government has made money on the bailout of the banks. >> syracuse kids, if you work really hard, you can be just like our -- let's get a shot of the control room. >> eric massa? >> let's get a shot of these guys. oh, my god. that's awful. >> same thing.
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back to news, please. did you see what the orangeman said? back to news, please. >> and we're so scared of him. syracuse university students are petitioning the college to remove jpmorgan chase chairman and ceo jamie dimon as this year's commencement speaker. according to the online petition, they are against using the 2010 commencement to restore the public image of the banking industry. >> what? wait a second. hold on a second! they think they're doing jamie dimon a favor having him go to upstate new york to give a commencement speech? seriously? they think they're doing jamie dimon a favor? >> yes. it's always an opportunity to talk to young people. >> i don't know what they're smoking, but if they could send a big old bag down to chris -- >> well, i think he's had enough. he went to syracuse. thank you very much. >> we're not going to help jamie dimon. what idiots.
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what did mark twain say, it's a shame youth is wasted on the young? >> yeah. moving on -- toyota is temporarily halgting sales of lexus gx460 after consumer reports issued a rare don't buy warning. the magazine found in its tests that the vehicle's electronic stability control took too long to kick in when the suv slid out of control in sharp turns. >> that didn't turn over. >> no it, it didn't. consumer reports says that could lead to rollover accidents. toyota has already recalled 8 million cars and trucks, now will conduct its own tests. >> maybe toyota should get into the transiter radio business because this car thing's not working out. >> no pun intended but they're if a real roll, aren't they? >> i don't want you to edit or read this for me because i'll edit if my head. a male aide has filed a sexual
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harassment complaint against eric massa saying he regularly grope groped and propositioned him. saying he routinely made gestures to him. i'm not reading -- >> that he wanted -- >> don't read that. >> what kind of gestures do you make to imply that you want someone to give you oral sex? >> i'm not going there. don't do this. >> no, seriously. >> joe, joe. >> no, this is not -- >> don't even look over here. don't look over here. >> what gesture? >> this is a very nice job we have here. don't do this. >> i already got if trouble this morning. >> what would reverend al sharpton say. >> what would my mother say? >> just shut your pie hole, okay? >> oh, my god. >> what's that about? >> you're like a bunch of school boils. >> massa wanted a staffer that did just the opposite, but go ahead, finish the story and we'll be good.
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just finish it. let's go. come on. >> it's almost over. >> according to -- >> our long national nightmare is almost over. keep reading. >> internal documents they looked into after he was elected his young male employee began complaining that massa was making sexual overtures to them. the house ethics committee is investigating how democratic leaders handled the allegations after -- >> do you need help? help finishing? >> -- demanding the investigation. >> capehart, are you okay? are you going to be okay? are you sure? >> i'm fine. >> seriously, how old are you all? how old are you all? >> 47. when we come back, we're going to raise the bar. >> doesn't seem like. . seriously, seems like you're 10. >> with senator chuck schumer. i'm going to ask him if he ever campaigned for eric massa. that's next on "morning joe." can i eat heart healthy without giving up taste?
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okay, where's the fire, huh? >> i'm sorry, sir, you'll have to check that. >> i got it. >> no, that bag won't fit. >> hey, no, no, i'm not checking my bag. >> there's no need to raise your voice. >> i'm not raising my voice. your airline, you suck at checking bags. >> that was us last week. that was actually a scene from "meet the parents." spirit airline announced a $45
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fee. >> $45. >> to carry on luggage. joining us, democratic senator from new york, charles schumer, and he's introducing new legislation to ban carry on fees. >> oh, my gosh. >> unbelievable. i think some airlines already charge you for water. >> on to use the bathroom. >> we fly around all the time. i know you do as well. it is just getting more difficult to move your family or your business around america. what can be done? >> well, this is -- you know, they took away the meals. they took away the leg room. they started charging you for baggage in the hold, even pe pillows. this is a sfep too far. carry-on bag is essential for people who, for instance, have kids and need the baby food up there, business people who need stuff in their bags. and so a group of us are putting in legislation to ban it, to ban the ban, to not allow them to charge for carry-on luggage. and i think it will go through
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the senate and the house like a hot knife through butter. you know, there are certain quality of life indignities we have to pay attention to and this is one of them. >> should the federal government get involved in this issue? >> well, sure, we regulate airlines. we regulate everything else? why can't we regulate something people want. >> you have to. >> i know you want to respond to a new york post article that went after you guns blazing. willie geist, while mike barnicle, willie, read the line that i'm sure senator schumer is offended by. >> the crux of the story is that wall street big shots are disappointed in you, blasting you yesterday. one of them saying, schumer is just throwing new york to the wolves. his absence is ridiculous. are you not sticking up for your guys on wall street? >> well, look, yeah. what i'm for is some strong regulation. there are tons of mistakes. we have 10.6% unemployment in new york. that's not because of any new
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regulations we're thinking about. that's because the whole system was broken. if we don't fix it, it's going to happen again. what i've tried to do dlout this crisis is be for strong, effective regulation but not let it cross the line and let it be vindictive or punitive. many people on wall street, the majority, know we need to do that. they're in favor of regular laying. some say, don't touch me. when the next crisis occurs, they'll be running for the hills. there's a way to do this and do it in the right way. anyone who thinks we shouldn't touch the system, shouldn't change the system after everything we've gone through is living on a different planet. >> so, this isn't about you being more interested in being the next majority leader than it is protecting your own backyard? that's the complaint on wall street. >> i didn't need any special reason to get involved in this. i care about new york and i care about jobs. it's in my bones. i fight for it. but the best way to do that is to have smart, strong, forward-looking regulation. and that's what we're trying to do here.
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again, just look at new york's economy right now. we have a record unemployment. we want to keep the same system? >> are you sizeways with mayor bloomberg on this issue? >> no. he and i think the same way. he's doing his job as mayor and saying, don't do anything vindictive to chase jobs overseas. but he has said that we need regulation. we need change. and that's what we're trying to do here. so i don't think -- i don't think there's any disagreement in the basic thrust. >> jamie dimon, all very concerned about what's going on. he thinks washington's going too far. do you disagree with jamie dimon? >> well, on some areas i agree with him and some i don't. i read his annual report. he proes posed a lot of things in regulation that were smart. one of the things i really like, which i'd like to see in the bill, is that when some intermediary starts selling goods into the secondary market, that they got to keep a piece. they can't just sell the junk, wash their hands of it, as they
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did with mortgages. that was a smart idea. i think we ought to do it. jamie dimon, we might not agree on every single thing, but on the idea that we need regulation and it should be smart, strong, forward-looking but not vindictive, we agree on that. >> protests are break nougt syracuse, upstate new york, about a commencement speech jamie dimon's been invited to give at syracuse university. do you think that it would be a good educational experience for students at syracuse, for graduates at syracuse, to have their commencement address given by someone like jamie dimon? >> i don't have any problem with him giving the commencement address. >> senator, there seems to be an element in the financial regulatory reform bill, as it's drifting through the senate right now, that would allow states attorney generals to play a role in filing suit against national banks that operate in their individual states. in light of the fact we've just
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seen several states attorneys general file a suit against the health care bill claiming it's unconstitutional, why would we ever want to let basically political animals get their hands on the financial system of the united states? >> well, it's a very good question. you know, when there was no regulation, as there has been, i mean, the big companies that went under virtually had no regulation, aig, bear stearns, lehman brothers, their holding companies were not not regulated by anybody. so, in those days, you know, the attorneys general said, maybe i should step in. but if we have a good, strong system of regulation, a nationwide system of regulation, that's the best way to go. you don't want 50 states and you don't want to leave it up to lawsuits, you need a good system in place. i think we know what to do and i think the bill that senator dodd introduced is strong and smart. and i like it. i don't agree with every little piece of it, but i like it.
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>> i want to ask you, senator, about senator gillibrand and her re-election campaign. >> that always comes up. >> of course it does. i'm sure you have great things to say about her. >> i do. >> governor pataki announced he wouldn't run against her. polls are showing he could have done better. >> you know, governor pataki has good name recognition. i don't know the numbers exactly. his might be better than hers. but she has done a very, very good job over the last year. she's getting around the state. she's speaking up strongly. you know, it takes a while to find your sea legs when you start out in the senate, for anybody. and she's found them. she's doing well. and i think the reason people are not running against her is they know how formidable opponent she would number every way. you know, george pataki could have figured, well, maybe it's 50/50. i'm not sure he would want to engage in a 50/50 race.
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i'm not sure it would be 50/50. >> senator, there's really something interesting about everyone seemingly dropping off to the wayside rather than taking on senator gillibrand in a primary or the general election when it appears, off the numbers, that former congressman massa would give her somewhat of a fight in the primary. >> no, i don't think so. i don't think so. >> what are the reasons -- you said she's doing a good job, effective job. is it the money she's raised? >> no. >> what is going on here? >> again, it's a big state. it's hard to cover. you have to work real hard at ait. i work at it six years -- you know, the whole term. and i think the number one reason that people aren't running against her is she's doing a good job. they're having a difficult time finding a rationale to run against her. and they know that their chances wouldn't be that great. >> all right, hey, breaking news here. speaking of jamie dimon and jpmorgan, just across the wires, they just announced their first
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quarter profit. up 57%. $3.3 billion profit. jamie morgan -- i mean, jamie dimon is doing quite well. is that good news for new york state, good news for america, senator? >> well, we want our companies in new york to do well, hire more people, absolutely. but without a good, strong banking bill, we'll go through the same ups and downs we went through. you could have read that statement in 2007 and it's of little consolation to the unimpmd employed people in 2010. the regulatory system is outdated and broken. everybody agrees with that. we have to fix it. that's what we're trying to do here, despite -- you know, it's easy to pick shots at it, but i think there's been a lot of thought that's gone into it. i think it's a good, strong, forward-looking bill. >> senator, thank you.
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>> senator chuck schumer. >> by the way, in the majority leader's office, the desk, where it's positioned right now, are you going to move it a little bit, just to have a different view? >> you'll have to ask the majority leader in 2011, harry reid. he's going to win. i'm coming on the show right after the election and telling you, i told you so. >> let's do it, shall we? >> we have a deal there. if he loses, you're coming on the day after as well and we're going to talk about your run for majority leader. >> couldn't you -- couldn't you have left did at my last comment? >> you know us. senator, thank you very much. still ahead, congressman paul ryan will be here. >> i didn't ask him one question about endorsing eric massa. >> you were really good. i wish you would have left it there. also there, this amazing story. found alive. a young girl survives more than four days in a gator-infested swamp. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. [ beep-beep! beep-beep! beep-beep! ]
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an incredible story to tell you out of central florida. an 11-year-old girl who went missing friday near a dense swamp with alligators was found yesterday alive and apparently unharmed. mark potter has more. >> reporter: it happened early tuesday. 11-year-old nadia bloom found alive. after days of difficult searching in dense woods and swamps, officials had begun to fear the worst. but then, they got a dramatic 911 cell phone call from a densely wooded area they had not yet searched. >> i've got her. i've got nadia. i'm in the middle of the swamp. i can give you my gps coordinates off of this blackberry. >> sir, you are in contact with her? >> i'm holding her right now, yeah. she's okay. she's got bites all over her. she's got some scraps. she's very lucid. she has no major injuries, you just, he posh. i'm going to give her some
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liquids. is the lord teld me where to find her. >> the caller was james king, a searcher from the bloom family's church who had ventured into the woods alone. the 911 operator asked to speak with nadia. >> hi. this is nadia. i am the girl that got lost. >> nadia, are you okay? you are not hurt in any way. >> what's your name. >> my name is mark lynch. i'm one of the dispatchers for the police department. if you just stay where right you are, we're going to have somebody come to you right now. >> word she had been rescued spread fast and electrified the community. >> she's alive. we knew it all along. >> i can't imagine what all the res cures are feeling when you search for somebody for five days and find them alive, it's fabulous. >> nadia who has a mild form of autism disappeared friday afternoon near a wooded area in winter springs, florida. her mother also calling 911. >> i can't find her. >> okay, what's your name.
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>> tanya. >> what's your last name, tanya. >> bloom. >> fearing the girl had wandered off into alligator infested swamps, police searched for days and nights. after james king found her, police confirmed she was barefoot, dehydrated and suffering from mosquito bites but very much alive. >> she did make two comments to the officers when had he got there. glad you guys found me. can't believe you rescued me. >> as authorities struggle to carry nadia out of the dense woods on a stretcher, her parents waited nervously to see her. her emotional father later hugging james king. >> things don't always turn out this way. we're so blessed. >> doctors treating nadia said given all she had been through, she actually was doing wonderfully. >> she was smiling. her vital were stable. she clearly has had the effects of being outside now for about five days. >> for police and the entire community, nadia's rescue was a huge relief. >> mark potter reporting. thank god for that happy ending.
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particularly democrats, who were declaring after the 2008 election that we were beginning a period of democratic dominance that would go on for decades. now all of a sudden, the momentum is with the republicans. and that's, thank god, that's the way the people have spoken. >> joe lieberman proving once again he has absolutely no plans to run for re-election in 2012. as he continues to kind of poke
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a sharp stick in the eye of the 65% of people in connecticut who voted for barack obama in 2008. welcome to "morning joe." top of the hour to you. mike barnicle is with us, jonathan capehart is here. political writer of the "new yorker" hen rick hertzberg. the show this hour can also be known as leather and linen. the question of whether a gritty political reporter and a peep can find true happiness on a morning talk show. >> keep me out of this. >> i don't know what catalog you two belong in. >> i think you look terrific. >> i think you look gorgeous. >> stars ski and hutch easterware. >> wait a minute. look who's talking seriously. >> why? why? >> slovenly. >> i wear what i sleep in. >> thank god you're wearing something then i guess. let's just move on. welcome, everyone.
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it's two minutes past the hour. let's get a look at today's top stories. >> i want to ask, joe lieberman, what about joe lieberman? he's been. >> you mean for the supreme court? >> no, he's been whacking the president for the past three, four days saying the treaties aren't going to pass. seems he has a different jab at the white house every day. >> i guess lately he's been suffering from attention deficit disorder that happens when nobody pays attention to you. i'm sure it's about a sincere desire to advance the public dialogue in a constructive direction. >> that could be. >> connecticut went for obama what, 65%? obama's still pretty popular in connecticut. >> yeah, there's no way he's running for re-election. no, he's setting whatever he's going to do next, it's not going to involve having people vote for him. >> all right. let's get to news now. president obama wrapped up his two-day conference on the threat of nuclear weapons with a
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commitment from all 47 nations who attended the summit. the governments of all 46 countries plus the u.s. each agreed to take their own efforts to safeguard nuclear material and put it out of reach of terrorists within four years. experts note that these commitments are voluntary than reaching the goal will be a challenge. but the president says the mission can be accomplished. >> this is an ambitious goal and we are under know illusions that it will be easy. but the urgency of the threat and the catastrophic consequences of even a single act of nuclear terrorism demand an effort that is at once bold and pragmatic. and this is a goal that can be achieved. however, not everyone believes in obama's recent deal making on nuclear weapons, including john mccain who called the whole summit nothing more than a diversion from the country's economic problems. >> this idea though that somehow this agreement with the russians will somehow be motivating to
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north korea, iran, other countries that are moving -- syria, that obviously have nuclear ambitions is just pure foolishness. it's just foolish. but again, this is also a bit diversionary from 97.7% unemployment in this country and multi-tarilyian dollar debts. >> all right. what's really going on? >> unlike lieberman, mccain lives in a state that went for mccain by 10, 11 points. so this is about a guy who wants votes in the future, right? >> i don't think that's the only reason he's saying stuff like that. it's also because he's a sad and bitter fellow. >> oh, okay. >> really, that is such a crazy, what he just said is so obviously right on the surface of it absurd. the idea that going, that, a president trying to do something about nuclear proliferation is
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somehow, that's going to take away from fighting unemployment. >> i they he called it tom foolery or something like that. >> pure foolishness. is he angry and bitter, mike barnicle? >> to me, there is a sadness to what he says. and what he has been saying. there is a real sadness because this is not the same man that so many people in this country, republican and democrat, fell in love with and admired. >> me, too. i was on the bus and you know, and loved this guy. he's a republican, but i like him anyway. made me feel good about myself. >> the maverick. >> but it's just sad. >> he's running away from. >> but he can be against barack obama, can't he, without being sad and pathetic. >> he can be against barack obama but the guy is running against himself. he's running against the guy he rode on the bus with, the guy in 2000 that democrats and republicans looked at and said hey, when you listen to john mccain speak, even recently a year and a half ago there was
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something in washington, when you hear him speak, you hear democrats saying i could vote for that guy. that guy is gone. >> the ultimate sadness is that here in the 21st century, running for re-election, he shows more fear of j.d. hayworth than he showed toward his cap tors in north vietnam. that is really sad. >> wow. >> i just am going to stay away from that. >> there's a pregnant pause. some very tough things being said here. >> wow. i'm not sure. >> since i'm a diplomat and i never say such things, i'm just going to go to my good friend paul ryan, ranking member of the budget committee. congressman paul ryan. congressman, it is tax dale this week. >> change the subject. >> okay. you want me to ask about john mccain? >> no, change the subject. >> do you agree with john mccain that the president is engaging in nuclear talks with russia is "pure foolishness"?
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>> i think it's a bit of a sidetrack. there are other threats that ought to be dealt with more urgently. look, i'm not in the senate. i do think that this is a bit of a distraction. it is very much of a yesterday issue. loose nukes is very important. we've got to tie all of that stuff up. i'm more worried from nuclear pro lef ration from iran and north korea than i am about ukraine and canada. >> didn't we have that discussion in washington, d.c., the largest gathering of world leaders so the president is focus is on that as well. >> the last 15 months i would argue we have not had a very good iran policy because iran is still moving forward. so i think we've let a lot of opportunities to slip by to put tougher sanctions on iran and move that ball forward the way we ought to. i don't think wa we achieve this had past week did much to move our iranian policy forward. that's what we should be focusing on. >> let's talk about the economy.
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you're the head of the budget committee for the republicans on the hill. we always have mike barnicle and i will always have republicans come on, they'll complain about how much money barack obama is spending. even as they admit republicans blew it over the past eight years. but every time we ask for specific cuts, they go mum. can you balance the budget in the next ten years? if you balance the puth budget in the next ten years, how in the hell due do it. >> i put a budget on the floor last year that was very specific, showed you exactly how we plan on doing it, go to the house budget committee website if you want to. if you want to see how we pay off the national debt go to american road map.org. it tells you specifically how we can put together a plan to pay off the national debt. it would take awhile to explain it. we have put out lots of specifics how to do all of this stuff. yes, it can be done. and it can be done on spending.
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we've got to focus on spending. we shouldn't be taxing our way out of this problem because if we try, we're going to kill our economy. yeah, republicans were the amateur big spenders when we were in charge. now the professionals are running the place. we've got to focus on spending. that's the problem. >> that's a good point. >> congressman ryan, you have suddenly become my favorite republican because you're the one republican who actually puts out specs. i don't agree with them, a lot of them but at least you're being specific. and your road map for america's future is a prime example. you just mentioned it, but your other republican leader colleagues don't seem to want to try to advance the ball. why won't they take on your ideas? >> well, i did bring a budget to the floor which wasn't the road map. but that also put us on a path to balancing the budget and paying off the debt. i don't think they're going to do a budget this year. i got 145 votes within my
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caucus. out of 178 republicans that's a pretty good job. we put out at a republican party a very specific budget that focused on spending, no tax increases. got us on a pathway to paying off the debt. we have put out specs. so there are lots of things we've done. we're calling for wholesale budget process reform. i would argue under both parties watch we presided over the breakdown of the entire budget process. it really doesn't work anymore. we need to clean up this process so we have more transparency, and caps on spending. there are no caps on spending. even when congress passes a budget it, serves as a mere guideline and congress, no matter who's rung the place, ends up breaking that budget a or two later. so i think we've got to clean up the budget process. that's something that we as a party have been advocating for quite some time. >> congressman, one of the big weights on the budget, on the deficit, even a financial illiterate like me would know this are the explosion of
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entitlement programs. you just said you've got 145 votes within your republican caucus for a specific thing. how many republican votes do you think you could get within your caucus for raising the retirement age and establishing means testing for social security? >> i don't know the answer to that question but i think we will find out in the near future because we're going to have to go down that path. that's one of the reforms i have in my plan. we can't keep talking to the american people like they're children. these programs are growing themselves into extinction. i think if you're very wealthy, you don't need as much of a safety net as of else in this society. when these programs were designed, life expectancy was lower than it is right now. they were never designed to last 25, 30 years. i'm going to be advocating things like this at the president's commission. it's part of my plan. i think there are other things we ought to do to make these programs work better and
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sustainable. we'll be able to find out who believes in these things in the near future. we'll see. >> sounds like he's going there, mike. >> i'm happy to defend it. >> i'm serious. i've been verycrit calf my own party for some time, but you take paul ryan, again, like you said, disagree or agree, paul ryan has specific plans to actually cut spending. yesterday, we had chris christie on. he's making a lot of enemies. guess what he's doing, what republicans used to do. he's saying specifically this is where i'm going to cut. >> we don't have a choice. >> we don't have a choice, republican or democrat alike. >> we don't. people need to wake up to the fact we are on an unsustainable fiscal situation. a debt crisis is coming. we all know that. >> didn't the cbo just say that? >> yeah, last friday, hendrick, the cbo director said we're on an unsustainable course.
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so everybody knows this, right? >> i guess so. could i ask a question? congressman ryan, you were talking about lowering the retirement age. >> not lowering it. >> highering it. >> raising it. >> hiring it, raising the retirement age. sacrifices that are going to have to be made all around. what about, there's a story in the new york times this morning by david leonard pointing out the very top segment, income segment of our society has had a huge increase over the past generation in income, but the income tax on that has dropped. what are we asking of that? what are you specifically asking of that segment of our society? >> right. so first let me go to the retirement age. what i'm saying is if we act now, you don't have to affect anybody over the age of 55 right now. these changes i'm proposing are for people under the age of 55. if you act now, you can protect people and make changes going forward. as far as the tax brackets,
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look, i don't think you may be confusing me for somebody who thinks the tax code should be used for wealth distribution. i think we should use the tax code to raise the revenue the government needs as efficiently as possible to maximize economic growth and job creation. you raise top tax rates, you're taxing small businesses. remember, small businesses file as individuals. and so you might think you're soaking people like bill gates and warren buffett when you're actually taxing small businesses. the class war fare stuff. that ends up leading to very bad economics. this is america. we want to reduce hurdles to entrepreneurship. >> i'll take that as a no. >> can i follow up on that question. >> you can. >> what do we do, and i don't want to say warren buffett because that's not fair. let's say you have $10 million. let's say you're pretty darn
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rich. you can afford to hire the lawyers, the accountants, the estate lawyers. >> yes. >> so like warren buffett, you're paying 13, 14% taxes. instead of somebody making $200,000 in manhattan with a family of five who's paying 45, 50% in taxes. >> i'm going to agree with you on that. we have to broaden our tax base. >> what do we do to make sure that warren buffett's secretary doesn't pay a higher tax rate than warren buffett. that's just the name that comes to mind. he's talked about it. so what do we do? >> well, look, i've proposed a plan that simplifies the tax code. the people who enjoy all these deductions, i'm on the ways and means committee. there is so much loopholes in the code it's a swiss cheese. i think we should broaden the tax base by getting rid of all the tax loopholes and you can lower the tax rate on everybody but everybody pays the same tax
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rate. people can knave gate the tax code using creative accounting and tax lawyers. get rid of all those loopholes, broaden it, simplify the tax base so everybody pays the same rate. have i proposed a higher rate for higher income earners. >> everybody, let's do a freeze on paul ryan right here. i want to tell you about this guy for a second. sorry to embarrass you, paul. i've known him since he was like 13. this is a guy that the republican party should put in charge if they did, they would take -- this is a guy, listen to this, unlike most of the people that run the republican party, this guy is in a wisconsin district that went for obama. went for clinton. went for kerry. >> no, not kerry. we beat john kerry. people couldn't relate to him in wisconsin. >> so let me get it right. what democratic candidates won in your district? >> dukakis, clinton, gore and obama. >> but -- >> not kerry. >> see what i'm talking about?
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instead of getting people from georgia and texas and northwest florida that are safely republican, you get a guy from wisconsin that knows how to win in swing districts. >> and most importantly, he's the nephew of my cardiologist. >> every time he comes. for mika, mika. >> if i may, you guys, we get these sheets about our guests. the first thing on the list which i am absolutely not surprised that each of you skipped, is about his workout. he has this fantastic workout. congressman, it's the p -- what's it called. >> p 90 x. >> it stresses the importance of muscle confusion and cross-training. and he's a former trainer himself, congressman ryan. and he says he keeps his body fat between 6 and 8%. >> okay, that's perverse. >> that's fabulous. you are example. >> i don't like you anymore. >> you should join my little
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campaign. >> what can i say, my uncle's a cardiologist. >> you need to cross-train with him. mika runs like nine miles smoking a cigarette. >> monument fun run in washington for kids, what do you think? >> well, if it's on a weekend, i'm at home in wisconsin. >> middle of the week. >> all right. paul, thank you so much.greatly appreciate it. always good talking to you. >> coming up next, the political playbook. insiders reveal why mccain is ditching his maverick title. the maverick's cool. also, teachers paid to sleep and exercise and do nothing? yeah. >> it's like "morning joe." >> it sounds ridiculous but it's the focus of a new documentary based on a real new york city program. we'll talk to the filmmakers behind the rubber room coming up on "morning joe."
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>> papers, the "new york times," the first time in decades researchers reporting a big drop worldwide in the number of women dying each year from pregnancy and childbirth. we're going to show you the paper right now. what else are we looking at? >> lower, the front page photo shows michelle obama's surprise stop yesterday in port-au-prince. to the los angeles times, arizona lawmakers have approved what many agree is the toughest measure in the country against illegal immigrants making it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in
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arizona. governor jan brewer expected to sign the bill. >> the "wall street journal" in the front page picture shows the president of rush wra and the president of france in a heated discussion during yesterday's nuclear summit. i love sarkozy. i love that guy. >> he's fun. >> seriously, great. >> let's move on to politico. don't you love him barnicle? i never thought i'd say that about a french president. he is great. >> we should have a caption contest for pictures like that. >> with us now, chief political correspondent for politico, mike allen here with politico's morning playbook. >> good morning. >> i am confused about this. i'm glad we're going there. why are insiders for senator mccain saying he "never considered himself a maverick" "what has happened here? isn't he the maverick on the front page of time or news week as a maverick? what happened. >> his own book.
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>> i love the maverick. >> his book was sub titled "maverick." he call himself that in a debate. so a lot of people are saying, remember in that interview last year where jay carney was listening to mccain and said, do i know you after covering him since 2000. people are saying that now. you know on "morning joe" we've seen that senator mccain told "newsweek" i never considered myself a maverick and then politico asked him, what did you mean, do we know you and he said that term is absolutely ridiculous and walked away. so munu and jonathan martin have talked to senator graham who knows senator mccain's mind as well anyone and he said it's because of senator mccain's primary in arizona. he's running against j.d. hayworth, a clear republican conservative, and he wants to convince voters there, republican voters in his primary i'm not going to do something
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crazy. i'm going to stick with the party line. a total 180. >> it seems that senator mccain is running scared. does j.d. have chains to win this thing? >> implicit in your question, i agree with you totally. but he is running scared, but it looks like he's going to be fine. he's giving up the mccain brand. you know, people say that he'll be able to turn back. but you know, john and minu point out in this piece that in fact, senator mccain since the election has not been voting as a maverick but voting with the republicans on every big issue on the issues where he used to take exception, including immigration and climate change. we haven't heard a peep from him. >> what's happened? >> a, he's still not too happy with the president, barack obama, who beat him and second, he's just concerned about not letting anything happen at home, not -- >> is this personal about the 2008 race? >> oh, it sure looks like it.
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we saw the two of them in that health care summit at blair house. it looked dang personal to me. >> wow. >> okay, mike allen. thank you very much from politico. coming up next, eo of jpmorgan jamie dimon may want to think twice before his scheduled commencement speech at syracuse? he should have looked at the graduates first. seriously, talk to our control room. can jamie, take a look at this control room shot, please. what are you thinking? >> uh-oh. he's upset. >> he's still drunk from college. >> we'll go to erin burnett next. >> she's an international superstar coming up next. a williams grad. >> exactly.
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♪ she's a killer queen >> what? >> that picture. >> well, that's what happens. >> oh, my god. i got to sit on tv radio with that guy for five hours. >> that's right. >> please, let me go back to westchester county, please? >> every day. do you know how nice it was
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doing those cut-ins? my life was so good. i'm sorry. let's get a check on business before the bell with erin burnett live at the new york stock exchange. >> a fellow eef. >> mika, the graduation speaker at will yams this year went to syracuse. >> what? >> just because we're talking about syracuse, jay mcnearny. >> i think jamie dime should go up to williams. >> do you want to know the back story here? >> yeah. >> jamie dimon's jpmorgan chase gave money to syracuse for some technology center and donated a building. >> some good it did. >> that's the connection between jamie dimon and syracuse. now, proposition dimon as we're calling it. here's the tally right now. 876 votes against him. you don't have to have any connection to syracuse to vote. out of 13,040 undergrads. >> so wait a minute. you don't have to have a connection to syracuse to vote. >> apparently not.
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my source on this is robbed hand, a syracuse graduate. what we did yesterday was called ought other banks to see if any other bank ceos were going to be speaking at college graduations. we got very, very nervous responses. we don't know. let's go check. anyway, so citigroup has come back. there will be no vikram pandit at anything. goldman sachs still unclear whether lloyd blank find is getting in to speak at berkeley but we'll see. >> seriously. >> i'm joking about lloyd. >> of coursings going to berkeley. >> that would be protests. >> there would be protests at berkeley. jamie dimon, you look back and read all the histories what happened over the past three or four years, it seems he was the only guy who kept his head that didn't overextend himself. this would be, i think this would be the historical figure from this very ugly time that any college graduate would want it an hear from because even now, he doesn't say the reason
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jpmorgan skated was because we were such geniuses. he said you know what? we made less mistakes than everybody else. >> in that sense, joe, whether it's managing the media and politicians better than goldman sachs did, i don't know. but you raise a good point. he has come through as the figurehead. he's busy right now. no one's asked him strangely enough about prop dimon up at syracuse. sesaying a couple of key things. they're hiring 9,000 people at jpmorgan right now and hopeful of a strong recovery. i think those headlines are important to share and by the way, maybe something that somebody in washington watching will follow up and ask ben bernanke because there is increasing concern why he is keeping interest rates at zero right now. >> we'll talk about gentle ben in a second. a huge first quarter for jamie dimon and jpmorgan. >> yes, it was. it was much stronger than anyone anticipated particularly in some of the weaker areas. they are following through with
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it on some hiring. so at least as an indication of other big banks does set the bar for the likes of citigroup and average of america. >> we've got to go fwp is there going to be increasing pressure on the fed to raise interest rates. >> yes. >> so the era of cheap money finally comes to an end. >> yes, because money for free, nothing's free, joe. it was free a few years ago. the past couple years have been the payoff. yes, there's increasing concern. hopefully someone will ask about dimon's comrents today. >> it's a dire straits song. "money for nothing and the chicks for free [i love how they sit together. i haven't seen that shot in awhile. >> coming up next, erin, thank you very much. >> what is that? >> that's my pal, miking. >> eric ash massa of morning television. go ahead before they start talking, let's go to break. thank you so much.
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>> up next. >> we appreciate it. mika, by the way, what's coming up next? >> the rubber room. >> we'll be right back. this is actually a room where teachers that don't do their jobs are stuck. >> nothing to do with eric massa. >> the union won't let you fire them. thank you, new york state unions. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] let's get down to the nuts and bolts.
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♪ ♪ i remember >> what is "the rubber room." >> the rubber room. >> the rubber room. >> the rubber room. >> what the rubber room is like a jail for teachers. >> what is literally a holding
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facility. >> the charges have not been substantiated but we're here in this purgatory of exiled educators. >> months, sometimes years later. >> but there's no work. there's no duties. you just have to be there. you get your full pay. >> you're sitting and doing nothing and you're getting your salary. don't fool yourself. there isn't one person in that room that thinks they're lucky. >> all right. the rubber room is a documentary that exposes the truth behind the holding places for new york city educators with accusations against them. here now the film's executive producers justin segnar and jeremy garrett. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> everybody's asking what's the rubber room. >> what is it? >> they just teachers and educators that would be fired otherwise get sent down to the rubber room and draw a salary. >> first there's an accusation made. once the accusation made, an investigation has been completed for the safety of the children,
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they're remove while that investigation is being done. and that investigation can take up to six months before you even know, sometimes you don't even know what the charge is for up to six months. >> so you sit there for six months. first of all, this film that you made, how did you get the cameras where you got them? because you were able to sort of show this side of the story which i think people have a hard time visualizing. >> well, we did a lot of different things in order to get the cameras in. >> we're going to have to ask you to be a little more specific. >> well, i was, i was a teacher in new york city. so one of the pain things establishing trust with the teachers at the beginning. once that trust was established, i was able to get inside with cameras. eventually the department of education caught wind that i was getting inside and i was arrested in brooklyn specifically for that for bringing cameras into the rubber
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room. we also had other teacher who have been reassigned bringing cameras in. >> clearly you took a degree of risk here and put yourself on the line. why was this so important? what was it that you want people to see and understand about the rubber rooms? >> well, it's not just the rubber room. i think it's a shifting landscape in education is what's going on, and i think the rubber room is just indicative of what's happening in education, the changing culture, the respect for teachers, and their ability to do their job and also the mismanagement of the system i think is another thing. >> it's also a really good story. >> it is. because a lot of people get caught up in the system and it can are years and years and it destroys people's lives. >> what were you teaching and why did you stop teaching. >> i taught for five years teaching biology. i'm still teaching but i'm teaching continuing education to you. >> what's the average stay in the rubber room and how much is
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it costing new york city taxpayers. >> i would say the average stay is three years. >> three years? >> look at this map. they have eight rubber rooms across the city. >> the department of ed will now say there are seven. >> 675 educators in them every day. 140 for misconduct. 117 for corporal punishment. 102 for arrests outside the school. 45 for incompetent. $40.5 million paid to these teachers in the last fiscal year. what more needs to be said? >> it's unbelievable. come on. in any other business, a lot of these people would be fired and sent away. >> right. >> it's kind of simple. >> mike is, yesterday we talked to chris christie about -- i just, you take it, mike. i'm going to get in huge trouble here. i don't want to bash teachers. you're exactly right. my mom was a teacher. but let's face it, there are a lot of teachers that get away
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with stuff that would never get away with it in any other profession. >> that's true. but at the same time, it's a sensitive profession. i mean, teachers are subject to false accusations from students. >> right. >> it's a precarious job. >> what needs to be done. >> it would be much more difficult to just fire, it would be much more difficult to say i want to fire this teacher. but if you don't like someone and maybe they should or shouldn't be fired, it's much easier to be like, you know what, we're going to put them in the rubber room. >> can't there be a more intensive process,. >> the teacher needs to know the accusation. the investigation needs to be done right away and then the procedure. >> doesn't this come down to tenure though? for a lot of these people because teachers get tenure and if you make it a certain amount of years, you're untouchable. >> well, i think that's changing. but it's true. it's true. >> but we have rubber rooms because of tenure. >> yeah, and the teacher contract, yeah.
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>> and the teacher contract foo if the teacher contract is so strong, if the teachers union is as strong as everyone assumes it to be and it's quite strong, why is it that so many teachers aren't even informed of the charges against them? >> again, it's the efficiency on both sides. >> it's not required. so if it's not required. >> how can that be? >> it's not part of the contract. i think it says it's supposed to be within six months but a lot of times that sort of goes by the wayside. >> by the way, i'm talking about tenure here. but 102 of these 600 educators, almost 20%, in the rubber room because of arrests. >> outside arrests. >> right. >> outside the skal. >> that should be automatic dismiss. >> if we were arrested seriously, we'll, actually we're in the tv business. but in most businesses if you get arrested you get fired. so if people want to see. >> believe me, it's kind of sadly true. >> i was in for sneaking into the rubber room.
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do you think i should lose my job? >> you're a journalist. you're living on the edge. if people want to see the rubber room" and a lot of people do, where do they go? >> go to rubber room movie.com. type rubber room documentary into google and we come up number one. i should point out we just finished up the film and we're really excited about it and still haven't secured distribution. if you're watching and you want to bring. >> chip in. >> there you go. >> get a documentary. >> good job, guys. >> thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> congratulations on the movie. >> congratulations on getting arrested. >> yeah, because you can go to the rubber room now and you can sit there and get paid. there you go. >> he did a very good service to taxpayers in new york city. >> why were you fired and not put in the rubber room? >> i was fired because i was working as a substitute at the time. had i resigned. >> there's a little bit of a discrepancy there. >> i would have gone to the
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we are back. welcome back to "morning joe." and we are here with lucy danziger, editor-in-chief of "self" magazine and joining her catherine bern dorf, an expert on women's mental health issues, coauthorize of the new book "the nine rooms of happiness, loving yourself, finding your purpose and getting over life's little imperfecti imperfections." we have to talk about that because that's where mental health does come into play. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having us. >> willie wants to do all the talking. >> i've got the loving myself taken care of. what are the other nine rooms. >> it's a metaphorical house. inside, you have a rich interior landscape and what we're saying
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is each room corresponds to a different part of your emotional being. the bedroom for intimaintimacy, romance. >> sleep. >> the bathroom is for taking care of yourself. >> we will being. scale, mirror, everything. we say the floss and the flaws are in the bathroom. >> interesting. >> the living room is for social life and each room corresponds. >> you all are co-authors. tell me what role each of you played in putting together this book that could be so useful to so many people. >> i approached catherine because i said i should be happy all the time. i should feel blessed and grateful. >> were you not? >> i concentrate on every little thing that's wrong. there was a mess of the day. we say what room are you in? what's your mess of the day. a fight with a friend. the last five pounds, even a pimple could rainy my day. i said is this normal? that's where it started. >> i see this all the time in my psychiatric practice but also
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among friends and women i know. everybody is brought down by the little things. we came up with an organizational tool to help you not be overwhelmed in every area of your life. >> if you're overwhelmed in the bathroom for example, how do you keep together the other rooms? >> the great thing is we give you permission to close a door and come back and clean it up later. if you're going to a party and in the living room you shouldn't be thinking am i fat, you should be thinking i haven't seen my friend in awhile. when you decide to clean up a mess, let's say you're having trouble with your mom, your mom is driving you crazy, a woman walks into catherine's office and says my mother's driving me nuts, that's the family room where you can yell at each other but still have to love each other. >> we have the relationship equation. if you're a, b is the other person, c is the outcome of the relationship. you can only change yourself. you cannot change the other person. people always say it's his problem, it's my mother is, somebody else. you're the only person that can
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change. our job in the book is to help you realize if you can figure out your patterns, things that you keep doing over and again tripping you up, you change the outcome of a relationship. you don't have 0 change the other person because you cannot. >> are there rooms that get more messy for women opposed to men? you're confused, respect you? >> i'm not confuse the at all. >> everyone has a big basement. memories trip you up all your life. women come to me and say i'm not an athlete but i ran the marathon. i say aren't you an athlete? they say i was never chose for a team in seventh grade. she's still 12. >> holding on to our past. >> basements are where the trophies and scrapbooks are. live in the present. we give you real strategies of you had to stop repeating behaviors and have a new approach. >> i don't have time to take care of all the rooms. what's the one room people should focus on. >> what's your room? >> it's the bedroom. >> excellent. >> it's relationships. incredibly important. >> i'll leave it there. >> sorry all you jerry mcguire
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